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I prefer public trackers and torrents just because I don’t like gatekeeping piracy. I want those bits to be distributed as far and wide as possible. So anything I get and/or seed will be public.
Even if there are bad peers that don’t give back (which there are many), plenty enough times it’s just people with shitty under served Internet connections. I’m fortunate enough to have a good enough connection where that doesn’t bother me.
Those who distribute from private to public are doing a great service
(I’ve made this joke already but) You wouldn’t pirate a pirate!
I hate the whole meta of private trackers. When I’ve joined a few in the past the whole focus on needing to keep up your ratio has been a larger barrier to downloading than leechers ever were on public trackers.
You can’t seed because several users have seedboxes with perfect connections and already have a billion-to-one ratio. I ‘theoretically’ have access to all this content, but I’m downloading ‘80’s workout video volume 7’ in the hopes that I can actually seed it for someone to get enough ratio to actually download something I wanted to watch.
I was on what.cd back when that was still a thing, I poorly chose my first few downloads and then never had enough ratio to download anything else ever again until I was finally kicked for inactivity.
Instead of actually fostering a working seed economy, most seem to just replicate a capitalist dystopia where a handful of users hog all the seed slots, earning more ratio credits than they could ever use while everyone else desperately tries to scrape together enough ratio to get something of value.
This is a reason why I’m not on any private tracker. When there are 200 seeds all with better connection than me, then my ratio isn’t going anywhere. It creates this weird dynamic where you’re sometimes wishing people would stop seeding stuff; and that is clearly counter-productive.
I’ve been a newbie on a bunch of private trackers, and there’s almost always some way to get ratio, you just need to figure out that site’s method, and be patient in not-downloading-everything until you can afford it.
For example, like many sites, what.cd generally had freeleeches around the site birthday and the winter holidays: nothing you downloaded counted against you, and whatever you uploaded got added to your account. They also often had artist freeleeches when an artist died; if What was around today, the site would be going wild with Jimmy Buffett traffic. Other sites have bonus points, where you get points for seeding even if no one downloads from you; and then you turn in your points for upload credit. Still other places, you can cross-seed content to get past the newbie ratio restrictions, then move on from there.
It is incredibly frustrating to be new on a site that has a whole bunch of content that you want, but if you’re patient or you figure out how the site does things, you can get a lot out of them.
Ya, I just want to get content. I don’t mind giving back to the community for it, but needing to figure out some sort of ‘system’ is too much. I’m not looking for a mini-game.
So others do the work and you do nothing?
So you both agree that the system fucking sucks. Fundamentally, the hoops you have to jump through to do anything are far worse than the annoyance of bad seeds on public torrents.
The counterpoint is that obscure torrents are better seeded on private trackers. If what you’re looking for is even mildly popular however, private trackers just suck.
Which is why, in my other comment here, I said:
Do you need a private tracker? IMO, most people don’t. Most people are happy with what they have, or are happy with what they get from public trackers and other places. It’s really only if you’re finding yourself unhappy with public trackers - you’re not comfortable with the lack of privacy, for example, or you’re often looking content that you can’t find - that I would suggest looking into private trackers.
Sounds like you’re just not the intended target for private trackers, and that’s fine.
That’s exactly the problem. You need learn how to game the system, instead of actually contributing to the network.
So by chance I was in university and invited into what by my roommate. I literally bought more internet bandwidth from my uni to handle an early freeleech event where I got to mega game the system (By accident! I didn’t really know what I was doing. And good thing it was a private tracker because I was on a bare connection. I didn’t know what A VPN was at that time, much less how to hide my identity online).
I thought my ratio was totally unfair so I never really abused it, but that’s kinda the problem. Only by chance I had like a 500 ratio, whereas someone like you had no chance ever to catch up to the earlier established players. Even though I wasn’t a victim of the ratio, the concept of your story is just another reason why I dislike private trackers.
That said, the best thing about what.cd was just how well organized and categorized it was. Library of Alexandria style shit, now lost to us. Plus the forums with some real music-heads were great, too, and you could really expand your music horizons by talking with those people. I liked that it was NOT a Reddit-style forum, so when something new dropped everyone had a say. Upvotes didn’t influence that kind of conversation. At any rate, I stopped pirating music so much maybe beginning in 2013 or 2014, but every time I look now the uploads are either 320kbps (overkill bitrate, garbage ancient codec) or FLAC (nice for archiving, but not what I want). So I end up DLing FLACs and then converting them into 128kbps Opus. It works, but my music horizons aren’t broadened without that what community. I guess all I mean is I don’t miss the private nature of what, but I do miss the community.
What.cd was one of the hardest to seed well on, unfortunately.
although I’ve account on some private trackers but I never use them just for these reasons you’ve mentioned their economy doesn’t treat all equally.
as a public leech from way back thank you for your service.
you’re amazing brother, fr ;)
I exclaimed “YES!” and started clapping after reading your comment. Just hell yeah. Beyond the weird issues that come with the model of seeding to gain access, there is something fundamentally off about the idea of private trackers, and you nailed it. It is antithetical to the whole enterprise of sharing. This transactional shit serves as a price tag that only the privileged can afford
Sadly it’s the only way old obscure stuff survives
Many times that’s true, too. One of the saddest things in torrents is seeing two torrents with identical contents that were created separately, or one just recreated so someone can add their website to it or something, thereby dividing the pool of possible peers.
I think one of the most interesting ideas in BitTorrent v2 is that hash trees are formed per-file, not per-torrent. So two torrents with identical contents could, if I understand this right, basically be considered one and the same. It would be cool to see more wide adoption and promotion of BT v2 https://blog.libtorrent.org/2020/09/bittorrent-v2/
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I sort of agree. When everyone is trying to seed to up their ratio, getting stuff is easy and fast. But maintaining your ratio is a nightmare. The place is essentially starved of downloaders because even people who want stuff can’t get it for fear of ruining their ratio. The only reason I had a positive ratio on what.cd was that they occasionally had freeleech days where you could download freely and only uploads counted. On those days I would just get the most popular torrents on the site and upload the shit out of them.
While these problems exist in any private tracker, I do still miss what.cd.
I’m on a few private trackers, never paid a penny towards any of them, and have high ratios in all of them
It did take me a little work and spent some time seeding stuff I didn’t really want but I got there with a shitty home connection (my connection is pretty good now but I built those ratios with dog shit speeds)
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I don’t have much free time to play around and never had the chance to be in a popular private tracker . It’s quite imposible for me … I mean wait for slots? A random date? An interview … forget it .
Pirate? No, no… A privateer!
Can’t see that word and not think of Barrett’s Privateers
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I love that song, too lol
Here’s my experience with 99% of private trackers:
“You haven’t upload enough. Download a free-leech to upload more”. So I download it, and no one downloads it from me.
yup same experience with the freeleech
You’re downloading old and/or unpopular stuff. For you to upload content someone has to be actively downloading that content (that’s how the bit torrent protocol works at the most basic level). If you choose some 5 year-old FL of a Game of Thrones pack with 7,000 seeders, that’s on you
The incentive structure just doesn’t seem designed well. It creates a zero sum game. When downloading you can either:
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Not seed to 100%. This damages your ratio
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Seed to exactly 100%. In terms of ratio maintenance across all seeders this option makes the most sense
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Seed past 100%. You build up your own ratio but deny other downloaders from reaching 100% which hurts their ratio. They must spend longer seeding the torrent to reach 100%, which further decreases the likelihood of subsequent downloaders from reaching 100% when seeding
When you seed past 100%, you essentially have to rely on bad actors to create more upload work for good actors. If there are no bad actors then seeding past 100% is to the detriment of other good actors, who you want to protect because you also rely on them for system health. And private trackers aim to minimize the number of bad actors.
Some great private trakers implement a system where users are rewarded for the time they spend seeding rather than the amount of data seeded. This creates an incentive towards keeping torrents available to everyone for a long time, which makes the whole system healthier.
which private trackers are engaging this approach. Seems worth to join them.
polishsource (polish general tracker) requires you to only seed 48 hours within a week from downloading and nothing more
Most
and some other trackers completely ignore all of that and make it extremely hard to gain ratio. if they all had a bonus points system that would be great though
Basically RED only
yeah its red im talking about, they are kinda essential for getting higher up, but i just dont want to deal with it
That’s smart!
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I got around this by just downloading some big freeleech porn packs or a couple new release shows/movies. My highest ratio item is an anime episode I downloaded minutes after release
Bonus points?
Use Sonarr or Radarr, it will download content for you as soon as it is available on the tracker. Since people are mostly looking for new stuff it works really well to boost your ratio. I have at least a ratio of 10 (first episode is closer to 20) for every Ahsoka and Futurama episodes. For Asteroid City I’m currently at 18.
Sonarr and Radarr actually take a bit after the initial upload to discover it, autobrr can grab quicker because it relies on the irc announce channel of the tracker.
I’ll look into it. Thanks
How do you go about getting an invite to one of these holy grails?
I’ve never had any need, except for audiobooks. Getting into myanonymouse is just a case of knowing the rules and passing a wee test. Maybe start there?
No way in hell am I sending anyone my piss to get into a website
here have my DNA!
Then you don’t need the audiobooks. NEXT!
Are there good audiobook trackers? I’ve used audiobookbay and haven’t failed to get a book I want so far
Myanonamouse.
I recently joined myanonamouse and it’s working great so far. The only thing I haven’t figured out yet is how to make my qbitttorrent + vpn docker container accessible for seeding.
You need to use a VPN that supports port forwarding, such as PIA, and qbittorrent needs to get set to use that port.
I’m using PIA and qbitttorrent is set to use that port. I also forwarded the port in my router, but myanonamouse wouldn’t show me as online/connectable.
Don’t forward the port in your router, it’s not required and is just adding a vulnerable entry point into your network.
You can use a port checker tool to see if the port you are using is open (using the VPN IP). If it’s just myanonamouse that’s not recognising it, I recommend asking for help on there :)
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I followed this guide cos the others were too confusing! - https://www.myanonamouse.net/userhistory.php?action=viewposts&id=171250
I’m logged into my account but it says permission denied when I click that link 🤷♂️
You dont have send it in. Just taste your own on a video call. Safe and private.
It’s a good idea to start with MAM since they have interviews twice a week, and you can access invites for other trackers in the forums once you get to vip (which requires 4 weeks of membership, and a ratio above 2.0)
One of the nicer things about it is that you can gain bonus points (which is how you buy extra upload credit and VIP) just by being an available seed. Due to the shear number of books on the site, you won’t be seeding often, but they make it desirable to keep it available in case someone needs it by giving you a certain number of bonus points per hour depending on various factors.
That’s a lot of work. I can’t imagine putting that much effort into downloading, not when Usenet doesn’t require anything but a couple dollars a month.
What’s a good Usenet?
I’m using frugal and nzbgeek
I can’t imagine putting that much effort into downloading
*Uploading, and that’s why you wouldn’t get an invite for a private tracker
No, that’s why I wouldn’t even ask for one. No point wasting so much time tending a ratio when I’ve got a faster experience that doesn’t require me to do anything, and doesn’t depend on random strangers to work.
Usenet doesn’t have all instantly
Open signups/interviews then climb up the ladder.
opensignup pages like r/opensignups (now retired) but there are alternatives online, the AvistaZ/CinemaZ/PrivateHD discord has surprise invites and usually they open around christmas and/or black friday.
Look I get that private trackers are probably safer and have a mored dedicated community but personally I still love anyone that keeps it public and keeps the knowledge of torrenting open and available as a tool for new people to discover.
I just use the public torrents, I have an IP Blocklist, and I seed the shit out of the stuff I download if it’s got less traction on it.
I will probably find a private group or something once I realize my obscure watching habits leave me out of finding stuff unless I can literally find it physical or get lucky but for now I’m a free pirate.
Our federal chancellor will join, too 🦜.
Could someone explain the benefits? I use public sites and download everything I’ve ever wanted and rarely have to wait more than a few minutes for them to finish. I’m no expert by any measure so I’m probably missing something.
There are three types of private trackers: general, specialty, and niche. A general tracker has most of the newest of everything - tv and movies and music and games, etc. A specialty tracker focuses on a specific media - movies or comics or audiobooks or TV, etc. And a niche tracker focuses on a specific interest - British television, or horror movies, or dnb music.
A general tracker has very similar content to public trackers, though they tend to be more secure. And like public trackers, while they’ll have the latest items, and old popular items, they tend to have retention issues.
Since a specialty tracker has a narrower focus, it tends to have deeper archives for it’s content. A movie tracker, for example, instead of having just the most recent movies and a back-catalog of older blockbusters, will have those plus a catalog of older, more obscure, less popular content, and it will often offer that content in multiple formats and sizes.
And a specialty tracker goes even deeper for those that have a particular passion for the subject that’s covered.
Do you need a private tracker? IMO, most people don’t. Most people are happy with what they have, or are happy with what they get from public trackers and other places. It’s really only if you’re finding yourself unhappy with public trackers - you’re not comfortable with the lack of privacy, for example, or you’re often looking content that you can’t find - that I would suggest looking into private trackers.
Where do i find private trackers? For Ghibly movies in german?
I don’t speak German and I don’t watch anime, so I’m probably not the best person to ask. Your best bet would probably be German tracker; if it doesn’t have the content, they can likely direct you to where it is.
The other option would be to join a tracker that specializes in movies, but they tend to be somewhat difficult to get into; I would be hopeful that German trackers are easier.
Makes a difference when you want to get something that’s a bit more older or more obscure, you’ll notice few to 0 seeds on these public torrents. If you find these titles on a private tracker, you will find it well seeded with high speed peers as most people use seedboxes for seeding the torrents.
First is speed. I’ve been able to get speeds of ~50MBps (not Mbits) on private trackers, granted this is dependent on Internet connection more than anything but I get 20-50% of that speed on public trackers.
Second is retention and breadth of selection. If you’re trying to download the latest Marvel movie then every tracker is gonna have that, but if you’re looking for an older movie then it’s much harder to find on a public tracker. And if you do find one, it’s likely to be seeded by 1 person and you can only squeeze 10KBps out of it.
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Oh i meant private has better retention. Oops. Editing
I think it was a typo
I’m looking for a german dub of The Last Unicorn. The only torrent I found no longer has any seeders. What private tracker could have it and is it worth it to join a private tracker to just relive a childhood memory?
The Last Unicorn
The Last Unicorn 1982 2D+3D GER BluRay 1080p DTS-HD MA 5 1 is on hd-torrents
It’s more of a broader benefit for everyone, but there are seems to usually be (a) rule(s) stating you have to seed a minimum amount of torrents to a specific ratio, which I don’t fully understand how that works past it helping torrents from completely dying.
Other than that, I don’t have a clue since I have never been apart of one.
What’s a private tracker? I’m a noob
Can any of you guys with access to private trackers search for “keroro VF” or “Keroro titar” or “Keroro french”. Me and several people been looking for it, some for almost half a decade but to no avail. It’s a lost media so if you can try finding it on there we’ll be very grateful. Thanks in advance !
I also have a request for the theatrical release of Mallrats. All I can find anywhere is the directors cut which is a completely different movie
Mallrats
Mallrats 1995 Theatrical Cut 2160p UHD Blu-ray HEVC DTS-HD MA 5.1
Are you allowed to say what site this is on? I’ve only used the bay and torrdroid results to look in the past (admittedly,I haven’t looked in a while since it never gave me the right copy)
hd-torrents
Some other site had a full 3in1 bluray
I believe usenet is vague enough
I can strongly recommend nzbgeek as an indexer. they only have a 3 day trial so get everything setup and ready before signing up.
What is the difference between those? Never watched mallrats and now i wanna Know where I should start ^^
The directors cut is literally a completely different movie. Every scene is an alternate scene that they filmed that I believe creates a whole different storyline. I’ve never made it past the first 10 minutes
These exist in my super quick search.
I also probably have the DVD release of Mallrats in my DVD. Rack.
Mallrats.1995.1080p.BluRay.H264-REFRACTiON
Mallrats.1995.RA.COMPLETE.BLURAY-REFRACTiON
No luck
Thanks a lot , any help is very much appreciated ! can you tell me the name of the ones you tried so i can tell the team they’re not available there. Again, thanks
Also found none. At least not in french. If you still want it, look on nyaa.
I searched the whole internet and i didn’t find it. Nyaa got dead torrents of the french fansubs of the 2014 reboot of the original 2004 show.
We’re looking for the french dub of 2004 original show. only the first 3 seasons out of 7 were dubbed. They aired till around 2013 on different french kids channels then it dissappeared forever. DVDs were planned but never released.
Another site i tried and is supposed to have everything is animetosho but no luck either.
I’m not on nyaa, but if they allow requests, you might try making one for this show. There are also some French-oriented trackers that I suppose might be a possibility, but I don’t speak French and never had anything to do with them so I’m not at all sure.
What’s the benefit of using a Private tracker? If you have a VPN shouldn’t that cover you?
Private trackers often have rules requiring seeding that keeps all/most of the torrents with a healthier seeding pool.
So faster downloads and less dead torrents. Sometimes greater variety
Private trackers have seeding policies in place that mandate or incentivize keeping torrents alive for extended periods of time. As a result, you see fewer dead torrents and much faster download speeds.
Curation and moderation
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And there is me, living in a country where I need debrid Services, because sailing into the sea of torrents is too dangerous here
Living and doing it in Germany. Juat need to do your research.
And i appreciate, that you Do it!
But i think i should at least read the Mega thread and see how hard/expensiv is in the end.
i am waaaay to paranoid to do it.
My way:
Renting a seedbox outside of Germany (NL) for about 16€ per month for a 2TB box.
Is it a very great value? No, not really.
But the staff is very reponsive to issues. Tickets are being reponded to usually within 24h and resolved within 1 week. (Much better than my helpdesk performance lol)
I got grandfathered in from an unmetered service. I can seed as much as I want at ~1Gbit/s even though I may not hit it due to being a shared box. So also very good.
And I can use public trackers there.Stuff is getting transferred with resilio to my home, automatically imported and appears within 30min after download is complete in my media library.
The other option to a seedbox is a VPN and doing it from home. Only let a program connect via the tunnel.
Personally I am not fond of option #2 as I’d need to maintain it myself, my home internet is slow compared to a seedbox and I’d need to torrent from my own ISP connection. Yeah no. #1 is managed and I just pay the amount of 2 good quality services and have everything I can aquire.
That Sounds actually pretty Good maybe i gonna give it a try to swed a lil bit :) I mean i dont download much But when i do i wanna give back!
YouTube University
I don’t know what this is. I guess I’ll read a link one of the comments provided here.
Edit: Nvm. The link didn’t explain anything
A private tracker is a torrenting site, like TPB, but is invite-only or has some other barrier to get in. They’re usually safer and faster, bur you have to seed. Also YMMV, obscure things might either not be on there, or have few/no seeds.
